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Post by 25thhawk » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:01 pm

I guess that could be the discrepency. I'm not that hard on my car. I powershift, but nothing stupid off of the line. And I don't know how that doesn't smoke doth the rear and the clutch.

I guess maybe when you are magazine testing and you don't need to take the car home with you, you can treat them like that. Not a knock, I just won't abuse my car like that.

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Post by 02hawk796 » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:06 am

Dave Hamburger wrote:Ryan - you're not getting my point. You (meaning only one person) needs to drive both cars and depending on your 6spd skills and techniques, you will find that the stick car is quicker.

The 6spd can be a bitch to launch, but once you've practiced over and over you will find your niche. Personally I do a smokey burnout outside of the water, stage and launch hard in 2nd at redline. My tire pressures are low, but I use nitrogen to regulate for consistency (on an LS1 car, I haven't driven an LT1 car since '98).

I'm outta here for the next day or so, I'll check back soon........


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I've never been able to even pop the clutch in 1st gear - I get lots of smoke while the clutch spins, but tires stay still. I have to fully engage the clutch, then hammer the throttle and the tires spin.
I was told that all OEM clutches are that way on LS1 F-bodies, and that an aftermarket clutch is needed to do what you say.
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Post by daringone » Mon May 15, 2006 5:58 pm

My 2 cents on the topic :D

02hawk796 - On a new stock clutch, I had no problem dumping the clutch and frying the tires... happened too often at the track :-)

As for the MN6 on the strip, yes, she's a bitch to launch. Took me quite a few runs, but the magic point for my Hawk seems to be to stall it to 1800 then drop clutch/hammer gas. Any more and she spins, any less and she bogs. My best 60', and it's not even good, is a 2.123 on Goodyear Eagle F1's. I've only ran 27 passes on her, so I don't claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

My best time ever was at the '04 Norwalk rally... ran 14.09 @ 98.82 (2.123 60ft). I could swear I ran a 14.02 at 99+, but I can't find the slip for that. The key is nailing the launch. If you can't launch it, you'll never get close.

The only non SLP mods on the car are the Granatelli Racing MAF sensor, K&N filter, and Hypertech programming. New rubber and the MAF sensor made the biggest difference for me, as I wasn't even close to sniffing 13's before that was installed. My two slips at the '03 rally in my second year of owning the car were 14.439 @ 99.28 (2.388 60 ft.) and the second I missed a shift and had a dismal 15.957 @ 89.02. Those times were with Firehawk SZ50's and the stock MAF sensor. After that, my AVERAGE was in the 14.2's @ around 98.6. Average 60 ft was somewhare around 2.19, including a bog in the finals :evil:

Long and short, I'd be extremely doubtful of a stock Hawk running in the 13's. But that's just my 2 cents.
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Post by JD#569 » Tue May 16, 2006 10:19 pm

I don't know what I have to offer on the subject, but my stock (ported maf, in box K&N) LS1 motor car has gone 12.76 (12.80's very regularly). I think that is very possible, seeing how mine doesn't have that much more power.
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Post by Firehawk 526 » Tue May 16, 2006 10:24 pm

JD....you must be running 1.8- 1.9 60's based on the MPH trap

I can hit 13.7's tops w/2.1 - 2.2 60's and a 105 mph trap, BUT remember I lose almost 1/2 sec due to weight issues, but otherwise we have identical setups (??? tires)

Auburn, M6, but w/Bilstein suspension which isn't as good as the 1LE for the strip.

Oops, forgot I do have some tuning but only up to 334dyno hp
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Post by LT4Firehawk » Wed May 17, 2006 10:21 am

Guys, I think you're missing the point. The original question was on an LT1 Firehawk, not an LS1. The LS1 and LT4 Hawks should easily be able to run 13s all day long.
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Post by 96AZHAWK » Wed May 17, 2006 10:37 pm

I have seen a handful of stock LT1 F-bodies run mid to high 13's here in AZ, so hypothetically, Hawks and SS's with their mods, should be able to do a tad better. And we don't necessarily have the best conditions for obtaining optimal times here either.

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Post by LT1_Hawk » Wed May 17, 2006 11:32 pm

LT4Firehawk wrote:Guys, I think you're missing the point. The original question was on an LT1 Firehawk, not an LS1. The LS1 and LT4 Hawks should easily be able to run 13s all day long.
whats wrong with the woobies evan???? huh??? got a problem???? lol jk man. can your wife tell a dif in the suspension yet? sorry to get off topic, but to get back on topic:

obviousely it depends on the driver and weather conditions. i know i couldnt get close :wink: but i still enjoy it
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Post by LT4Firehawk » Thu May 18, 2006 9:45 am

93hawk064 wrote: can your wife tell a dif in the suspension yet? sorry to get off topic,
Yes, she says it definitely feels a lot tighter, while only increasing the ride harshness slightly.

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Post by JD#569 » Thu May 18, 2006 7:29 pm

I guess what I was trying to get at is: LT1 cars 305+ hp LS1 cars 335+ hp... there is not a second difference in 30 hp. I am sorry for posting an irrelevant reply. :) :wink:
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Post by LT4Firehawk » Fri May 19, 2006 9:49 am

Yeah, but the LS1 cars are really 350+. Heck, my bone stock 2000 M6 TA (not a Firehawk) dynoed 304rwhp, and I've seen many other stock LS1s do that (or more). Add on the intake and exhaust mods for a Firehawk, and your probably looking at more like 315rwhp minimum, which equates out to about 360-370 flywheel, so they are drastically underrated by GM (can't have the f-body with the same HP as the Vette).
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Post by Chuck Stong » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:22 am

My first pass in my car with only a few k miles on it, I ran a 13.6. Car was all original, and the track was nothing special, so it can be done.
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Post by 02HAWK595 » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:29 pm

I ran my 02 T/A Hawk (M6) twice at a track in the quarter. I bogged it both times, resulting in 2.4 60 foot times, but I was consistant with 2 14.1's @ 106 mph.

Now, back to this topic. It has been my experience that some cars are just "factory freaks." For no obvious reason they just run like a raped ape. A buddy of mine has a 97 SS. He's got Hooker LT's, Flowmaster exhaust, and the car was dyno tuned at Thunder Racing. Other than that it is stock. Anyway, the cars fastest passes are 13.0's. So, yeah I can see LT1 cars running in the 13's with little difficulty. His car is an M6 by the way.
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Post by Garry » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:52 pm

Firehawk 526 wrote:Don't quote me, but weren't the 2002 Firehawks advertised to run 13.5 -13.8?
There is a minor difference between a 93 and an 02 ... ;) And I think part of the difference lies between the front wheels ;)

One of the first runs I did with my 2k Hawk resulted in a 13.9, I've did some tuning on the PCM since then, should get new numbers next weekend ... I thinks somebody here said a stock LS1 should be able to make it down to 13.6 or so ...
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Post by Paul502Z » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:39 am

these cars are mine and my kids, 100% stock & oem tires

1995 T/A auto. 13.97.......mph?.......1.91/60
1999 Z28 auto 13.10.........??...............??
2001 WS6 auto 13.03......105.43 ............??
2002 FH M6 12.97..........??.........1.9-2.0
? = can't remember, too many cars
also on the 99Z, now have SS hood, mac headers, corsa cat back, 4.10,
computer tune, full weight, bfg drag radials, 12.30...113mph...1.85/60, 12.49 on 3.23 gears
this is in St.Louis@Gateway International
there are lots of drivers going low 12's high 11's with bolt ons here
i've raced for 30 yrs, sticks are faster, but autos are consistant
there was also a car here, 3rd gen, 1985-86? stock 305 Q-jet auto that ran in an NHRA class, it went 12.50's, go figure that one out
Dave, I'm a believer, but I'd love to see the tape too !
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