1993 014 Red fire Hawk For Sale 7,700 actual miles Like new

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1993 014 Red fire Hawk For Sale 7,700 actual miles Like new

Post by Gunsmoke » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:12 am

<h2>Car is number 014 in the series out of 201 produced. Car is registered in the Firehawk registry on Firehawk.org. Everything is original except the Battery & tires. (Just recently replaced). Car is reasonably priced for such a pristine example of a Fire Hawk museum quality car. <p>

Car has been professionally maintained & driven monthly w/ fresh gas to ensure it is ready to be driven anywhere at anytime. <p>

All the body lines & door gaps are super straight & even. There are no repairs or touched up places anywhere on this car. it is super-super nice on every detail. Everything on this car works as it was built to do.<p>

This car is super straight and tight. Car runs and drives very well. I would not be afraid to drive this car anywhere. Drives super nice and turns heads, gets compliments where ever Al drives it.<p>
Red w/ Graphite interior.
7736 actual miles.
2 Owner
Car will be on ebay starting 9/18/12
Car Located near Cincinnati, OH
14,000
email for pics or look at it on ebay.
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Post by Gunsmoke » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:54 pm

ebay item #140852873917
Will start about 8pm est tonight.
call Al at 513-309-7413
Thanks

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Post by Maplehawk » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:26 pm

I know this car and it is one of the nicest 1993s out there. :!:
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Post by Gunsmoke » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:22 am

Maplehawk wrote:I know this car and it is one of the nicest 1993s out there. :!:
Thanks for the support. Seems to be getting lots of attention on ebay.

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Post by undrdog » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:18 pm

AutoCheck shows an odometer rollback. The car had 76,000 miles in May 1998 and 3,600 miles in Jan. 2000. If true, and there is no explanation by you for this discrepancy, then that is fraudulent. Why did you think you could get away with after posting the AutoCheck report to the ebay listing, or did the owner find you to list it so he could try to evade the fraud, for which you are still responsible. Evidence of the latter is in the listing itself where you say: "Everything I have listed here is what the owner has informed me to list." So the owner found you and you read the AutoCheck report, right, and you kept silent? Moreover, the AutoCheck report appears to show four owners, not two, as you represent, evidenced by the following: the original issuance of title and then the subsequent issuance of title three additional times.

1 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
image 28 04/14/1994
image 76,234 05/05/1998
image 3,632 01/22/2000 Possible Odometer Rollback/Rollover
image 6,000 03/29/2005
image 7,100 10/29/2008

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Post by BLACK-HAWK » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:41 pm

" All the body lines & door gaps are super straight & even. There are no repairs or touched up places anywhere on this car. it is super-super nice on every detail. Everything on this car works as it was built to do. "

this statement alone to me sends up a red flag. most don't usually go out of their way to post the body condition on an already described "pristine, museum quality car"


Mac, can shed some more light about it
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Post by BLACK-HAWK » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:50 pm

ebay pictures look clean..
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Post by Gunsmoke » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:51 am

undrdog wrote:AutoCheck shows an odometer rollback. The car had 76,000 miles in May 1998 and 3,600 miles in Jan. 2000. If true, and there is no explanation by you for this discrepancy, then that is fraudulent. Why did you think you could get away with after posting the AutoCheck report to the ebay listing, or did the owner find you to list it so he could try to evade the fraud, for which you are still responsible. Evidence of the latter is in the listing itself where you say: "Everything I have listed here is what the owner has informed me to list." So the owner found you and you read the AutoCheck report, right, and you kept silent? Moreover, the AutoCheck report appears to show four owners, not two, as you represent, evidenced by the following: the original issuance of title and then the subsequent issuance of title three additional times.

1 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
image 28 04/14/1994
image 76,234 05/05/1998
image 3,632 01/22/2000 Possible Odometer Rollback/Rollover
image 6,000 03/29/2005
image 7,100 10/29/2008
I have known this car since it was brand new & somewhere there was a mistake when information was entered. Because we all know that the DMV is perfect & can't make a mistake.
Where you are coming up with 4 owners is beyond me. Even your great car fax says 2 owners.
As for my auction disclaimer, that's what I copy & paste off of every auction that I have listed since 2004. Not just this car.
Geez! picking my ad apart because the way I discribe the car? Your reading stuff into this ad that isn't there.
AND for staying silent, never new there was an issue till you brought it up. I'll address this.

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Post by Gunsmoke » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:10 am

This is what I just posted on ebay.
Car fax is showing a discrepancy on the mileage that is NOT true. The DMV must have fat fingered the mileage entry. The miles are actual & will be sold as actual.
Sad that a mistake was made on a car like this.

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Post by undrdog » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:23 am

I assume you have the maintenance records to show that the DMV was wrong. Normally people who own such mileage cars are fastidious with their records. Also, the dealer where the car was serviced under its warranty would have these records. As to your not being aware of the problem, I would have thought that you would have read the AutoCheck report.

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Post by Gunsmoke » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:25 pm

Just talked to the orginal owner (Edward F Beaulieu) & he said the car had just over 7000 miles when he sold it.
Also said it had to be a mistake at DMV.
Any more concerns contact AL
513-309-7413

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Post by BLACK-HAWK » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:14 pm

no comment
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Post by HawkLT1 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:13 am

Seen Ed's car many times at the Rally. Not in the last few years though. Definitely a great car when Ed and his wife used to bring it to the show. It sounds kind of weird that it would have 76000 miles after having only 7600 miles a few years earlier. It's possible but unlikely in my opinion. 'm guessing there is a paper trail showing maintenance records with miles appropriate to the car.
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Post by jzava50 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:16 am

I use auto checks everyday being a car dealer .... these mistakes happen ALL the time , dmv makes mistakes and take their sweet ass time fixing them if ever .
~2002 TRANS-AM FIREHAWK
~PEWTER METTALIC
~#0078
~24K MILES
~6 SPEED
~CAMMED
~SLOTTTED AND DRILLED ROTORS
~BMR SUB FRAMES
~AUBURN REAR DIFF - HARDENED 3:73
~SLP LONG TUBES
~OFF ROAD PIPE
~LOWERED 1 1/2 INCH
~DYNO TUNED
~389 hp AT THE REAR WHEELS

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Post by undrdog » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:19 am

If it's a mistake then there should be maintenance records showing it's a mistake. I asked the seller about maintenance records and he never responded.

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